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#1 hokkiehokkie

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 04:04 AM

QUOTE(Philwong @ Aug 20 2009, 06:56 PM) View Post

What happen if the gahmen says you can acquire as many othe citizenship as you like but you cannot renounce your Sg citizenship. It will be interesting leh. Your CPF kenna stuck until you lau kok kok and all your future male heirs cannot siam NS from now. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif



Lagi worse they will come up overnight with some ridiculous decree that all SG citizens outside of SG must pay a $$$$ commitment fee like a fixed amount of tax for this right to dual citizenship so they will contribute to the country's enormous income already coming from overseas investments. A family's contribution will only be peanuts to SG's humungous overseas investment income in the billions and billions! Why waste all this time and effort to collect peanuts? Let them have dual citizenship unconditionally and they will happily vote you guys in anyway. I'm sure thats what you(the Govt) are really interested in right?

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 10:47 AM

QUOTE(singaporeboy @ Oct 5 2009, 09:36 AM) View Post

I disagree with you saying S'pore is too small for people to take advantage of dual citizenship. There are many S'poreans who marry citizens of other countries (like myself), I see no harm to have them take up another citizenship and keep the S'porean citizenship. If other citizens of other countries think the way you do, they wouldn't have dual citizenships. Anyway, if there comes a time if I take up US citizenship because of my family (I have an Ang Mo wife and 3 kids here in the States), I will have to give up my S'pore citizenship - it will be sad but I may have to just do it. Then I can only visit S'pore for 30 days as a US citizen.

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Hi Singaporeboy.

If you need to stay longer and more than 30 days, just visit M'sia for 2 days, and come back again.

I can understand your feeling about having the dual thing. But if you have read a certain singapore expat forum, you can see the degree of abuses of the Singapore citizenship by those formerly not from the country.

They get their citizenship for when they need it for employment, travel etc. After all, Singapore passport is well sort after. And I've read many who dump away the citizenship once they have no use of for it. Imagine, having the right to both, these are the people who will explore all the "lobang" in the system for their own gain, at the expense of fellow Singaporean who have no choice but stuck in the tiny island.

I am not thinking for myself here coz I am more or less setteld overseas. But I am thinking for family, friends and Singaporean"" (not Singapore citizen) back home".

Fellow Singaporean (born and bred), and ex-Singaporean, will always think for the people back home. But newcomers, who don't have any special bond, this is island to ""plough and pillage" for their needs.




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Posted 05 October 2009 - 09:36 AM

QUOTE(Power Ranger a.k.a. Waz @ Oct 4 2009, 08:36 AM) View Post

Hi Singaporeboy.

Dual Citizen may work in many countries. But I think Singapore is too small for people to take advantage of it resources etc. Look at the over-crowding etc.

Nothing wrong with not taking up foreign citizenship. In principle, you should either be a PR of one country and citizen of another. I feel that if one pursue the citizenship of another country, for whatever reason, I don't see that as problem if he/she want to give up the Singapore IC. BUt not citizen of both.

I think Singaporean overseas want to maintain "close contact"with Singapore is not because of HDB flat, or low taxes. I think it is about the family they left behind. If they do that because of HDB flat etc, don't you think it is a selfish act to deny scarce resources. Remember, this citizenship issue is about the people as a whole. Not about oneself.



I disagree with you saying S'pore is too small for people to take advantage of dual citizenship. There are many S'poreans who marry citizens of other countries (like myself), I see no harm to have them take up another citizenship and keep the S'porean citizenship. If other citizens of other countries think the way you do, they wouldn't have dual citizenships. Anyway, if there comes a time if I take up US citizenship because of my family (I have an Ang Mo wife and 3 kids here in the States), I will have to give up my S'pore citizenship - it will be sad but I may have to just do it. Then I can only visit S'pore for 30 days as a US citizen.

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 08:36 AM

QUOTE(singaporeboy @ Sep 20 2009, 05:48 AM) View Post

My oh My, this is such a hot topic!

There are so many countries out there like Thailand, United States, UK that allow dual citizenship. S'pore is lagged behind in that department. It is such a pity S'pore doesn't allow dual citizenship at the moment, I think S'pore will be more enlightened and a more opened society. You just wait and perhaps S'pore government may change its mind to compete in this global enviroment. Frankly, I see myself as the citizen of the world. The world is changing and I believe S'pore will change as time goes on. I disagree with Power Ranger's "backup plan". If so, countries like Thailand, United States, UK that allow dual citizenship are wrong.

Besides, I think some S'poreans who do not wish to take up foreign citizenships are sort of "Kiasu", because they do not wish to give up what they have (in their comfort zone with S'pore as S'pore has made them so comfortable with HDB flats and low taxes that they just do not want to leave permantly). Frankly, I don't blame them for not giving up their S'pore passports as S'pore has an incredibly strong and stable government with a rock solid economic plan.

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Hi Singaporeboy.

Dual Citizen may work in many countries. But I think Singapore is too small for people to take advantage of it resources etc. Look at the over-crowding etc.

Nothing wrong with not taking up foreign citizenship. In principle, you should either be a PR of one country and citizen of another. I feel that if one pursue the citizenship of another country, for whatever reason, I don't see that as problem if he/she want to give up the Singapore IC. BUt not citizen of both.

I think Singaporean overseas want to maintain "close contact"with Singapore is not because of HDB flat, or low taxes. I think it is about the family they left behind. If they do that because of HDB flat etc, don't you think it is a selfish act to deny scarce resources. Remember, this citizenship issue is about the people as a whole. Not about oneself.






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Posted 28 September 2009 - 03:39 PM

QUOTE(Power Ranger a.k.a. Waz @ Jan 29 2009, 12:18 PM) View Post

Citizenship means 100% commitment.


Where does the requirement of "100% commitment" come from? How does it work? Is it working in Singapore now? A large majority of Singaporeans are denied even a chance to vote! Does a walkover mean the voters support whoever's standing for election. Even the election for president: we do not get a chance to vote. Did you read what LKY said recently about the S'pore pledge?

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 05:48 AM

QUOTE(Power Ranger a.k.a. Waz @ Jan 28 2009, 06:39 AM) View Post

Personally, I don't believe in dual citizenship.

This is like having backup plan if one don't work.
In that sense, commitment and loyalty will be questionable.
Isn't that what citizenship is all about.

Imagine, you have dual citizenship guys, one Sg/Bosinia, and another Sg/Serbia.
The country goto war. These guys in Singapore goes back home to fight for their motherland.
And after the war go back to Singapore, bump into each other on the Singapore street ............

There won't be any real cohesion for Singapore.

You can see this happening in Australia............
People still fly their motherland flag over here.
ANd they create segregrated communities.

Singapore is too small to afford that sort of disharmony.




My oh My, this is such a hot topic!

There are so many countries out there like Thailand, United States, UK that allow dual citizenship. S'pore is lagged behind in that department. It is such a pity S'pore doesn't allow dual citizenship at the moment, I think S'pore will be more enlightened and a more opened society. You just wait and perhaps S'pore government may change its mind to compete in this global enviroment. Frankly, I see myself as the citizen of the world. The world is changing and I believe S'pore will change as time goes on. I disagree with Power Ranger's "backup plan". If so, countries like Thailand, United States, UK that allow dual citizenship are wrong.

Besides, I think some S'poreans who do not wish to take up foreign citizenships are sort of "Kiasu", because they do not wish to give up what they have (in their comfort zone with S'pore as S'pore has made them so comfortable with HDB flats and low taxes that they just do not want to leave permantly). Frankly, I don't blame them for not giving up their S'pore passports as S'pore has an incredibly strong and stable government with a rock solid economic plan.

SingaporeSarongPartyBoy.

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Posted 10 September 2009 - 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(SOMASUNDARAM KAMALNATHAN @ Aug 25 2009, 10:20 PM) View Post

Any idea when SG open up for dual citizenship? or will not open? thanks



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Posted 25 August 2009 - 10:20 PM

QUOTE(Philwong @ Aug 20 2009, 06:56 AM) View Post

What happen if the gahmen says you can acquire as many othe citizenship as you like but you cannot renounce your Sg citizenship. It will be interesting leh. Your CPF kenna stuck until you lau kok kok and all your future male heirs cannot siam NS from now. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif



Any idea when SG open up for dual citizenship? or will not open? thanks

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 06:56 PM

QUOTE(hobbyscalemodel @ Aug 19 2009, 09:21 PM) View Post

In my opinion, I think Singapore will allow dual citizenship in future. Just a gut feeling.

I see Singapore going down the path of a developed country like US, Aust etc where younger people, those with ability, will want to go out to "see" the world. More and more of these Singaporeans will eventually settle overseas and take up their citizenship. To attract these singaporeans back, one way is to allow them to hold dual citizenship, no guarantee though but it is a step forward. I think India has done that some years back to attract their own people back.

A negative way of looking at it is that more Singaporeans will have dual citizenships......but hold them in secret without telling Singapore. The Sg Gov will be in a difficult position if Singaporeans who could not have dual citizenship wants the gov to take action against those with dual citizenships. Do you expect the gov to force all to renounce Sg citizenship? It is probably easy in the past as the number is small. But with more such cases, it will be hard to apply and uphold the law. To resolve it, one way is to allow dual citizenship legally.

What happen if the gahmen says you can acquire as many othe citizenship as you like but you cannot renounce your Sg citizenship. It will be interesting leh. Your CPF kenna stuck until you lau kok kok and all your future male heirs cannot siam NS from now. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 09:21 PM


In my opinion, I think Singapore will allow dual citizenship in future. Just a gut feeling.

I see Singapore going down the path of a developed country like US, Aust etc where younger people, those with ability, will want to go out to "see" the world. More and more of these Singaporeans will eventually settle overseas and take up their citizenship. To attract these singaporeans back, one way is to allow them to hold dual citizenship, no guarantee though but it is a step forward. I think India has done that some years back to attract their own people back.

A negative way of looking at it is that more Singaporeans will have dual citizenships......but hold them in secret without telling Singapore. The Sg Gov will be in a difficult position if Singaporeans who could not have dual citizenship wants the gov to take action against those with dual citizenships. Do you expect the gov to force all to renounce Sg citizenship? It is probably easy in the past as the number is small. But with more such cases, it will be hard to apply and uphold the law. To resolve it, one way is to allow dual citizenship legally.






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Posted 18 August 2009 - 02:20 PM

Dual citizenship is a convenience and so is the acquisition of SG passport by foreigners. The SG passport is a sought after travel document mostly by Asians. Some wait patiently until they get that red book from the proverbial red dot nation and use that red book as a stepping stone to migrate, travel, and for a host of other ill conceived plans, etc to mostly european states which otherwise require prior entry visas to Asians, who are known to exploit their systems. Most Asians who have migrated to Canada, USA, UK, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, France, Switzerland, Finland, Germany are merely "economic refugees" rather than "political or war related ones" where they live on the dole or the generous social security benefits dished out to such refugees. They abuse the systems meant for natives and are a criminal liability in the long term. Time will dictate their true behaviour. So when such foreigners wish to renounce their SG nationality in favour of another, its best they retake their original nationality and passport, and thereafter look at the loop holes or their next intended nationality. The SG government may into some sort of legislation so as to put a check in accepting such Asians as new SG citizens. I may be wrong in my assumptions, so please correct me. Dual Citizenship has nothing to do with globalization or the freedom to travel, work and live in other countries. Each country has a unique system to retain, invite or even to kick out citizens - I mean exile!

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 01:57 AM

QUOTE(Kumar Siva @ Feb 11 2009, 12:39 PM) View Post

Yes, good planning, example:
Cheaper nursing homes in JB

A plug for these homes came in Parliament on Monday from Health Minister Khaw Boon Wan, who said Singaporeans could save money by using Johor Bahru nursing homes.

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNew...ory_337089.html

This will enable the healthy to stay, work and enjoy life in Singapore. smile.gif

Any idea about dependent protection scheme and other medical insurance introduced working over there?
JB hospitals are really cool, just few RM and provide reasonable service for elders.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 01:39 AM

QUOTE(SOMASUNDARAM KAMALNATHAN @ Feb 12 2009, 12:39 AM) View Post

Singapore is well planed for their population growth and intakes. So, hard to say any thing about it now. It seems economy growth is good in the past years... smile.gif


Yes, good planning, example:
Cheaper nursing homes in JB

A plug for these homes came in Parliament on Monday from Health Minister Khaw Boon Wan, who said Singaporeans could save money by using Johor Bahru nursing homes.

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNew...ory_337089.html

This will enable the healthy to stay, work and enjoy life in Singapore. smile.gif

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 12:39 AM

QUOTE(Min Jia @ Feb 11 2009, 05:35 AM) View Post

i will say its bad news. sg is facing lack of land soon. if e population grows. whr u get e land to build houses. all will bcum skyscrapers of 70 floors and above. and more ppl will also mean more companies. e companies will have to buy some land for their office buildings too... preferrably in CBD area i guess biggrin.gif

Singapore is well planed for their population growth and intakes. So, hard to say any thing about it now. It seems economy growth is good in the past years... smile.gif

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 06:35 PM

QUOTE(SOMASUNDARAM KAMALNATHAN @ Feb 10 2009, 02:17 AM) View Post

Hi Philwong,
I'm pleased to see our population now increased to 4.9 million recently. In 10 years time, it increased by 25%
Canada also trying to increase the population but no luck on that. seems SG population growth also much higher than Canada smile.gif its good i believe.


i will say its bad news. sg is facing lack of land soon. if e population grows. whr u get e land to build houses. all will bcum skyscrapers of 70 floors and above. and more ppl will also mean more companies. e companies will have to buy some land for their office buildings too... preferrably in CBD area i guess biggrin.gif

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 05:45 AM

QUOTE(SOMASUNDARAM KAMALNATHAN @ Feb 10 2009, 02:17 AM) View Post

Hi Philwong,
I'm pleased to see our population now increased to 4.9 million recently. In 10 years time, it increased by 25%
Canada also trying to increase the population but no luck on that. seems SG population growth also much higher than Canada smile.gif its good i believe.

Is'nt it the main reason why dual citizenship is not granted? We can claim that population figure 100% to ourselves without having to share with you in Canada. tongue.gif
But you still can call your cub -"polalion". biggrin.gif

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 02:17 AM

QUOTE(Philwong @ Jan 31 2009, 10:18 PM) View Post

Hi Kuma Kuma,

Good on ya! Hope you are blessed with many tiger cubs. WE hope by then dual citizenship is recognised so that we can include them in our population count. smile.gif


Hi Philwong,
I'm pleased to see our population now increased to 4.9 million recently. In 10 years time, it increased by 25%
Canada also trying to increase the population but no luck on that. seems SG population growth also much higher than Canada smile.gif its good i believe.


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Posted 10 February 2009 - 12:18 AM

QUOTE(Power Ranger a.k.a. Waz @ Feb 8 2009, 07:41 PM) View Post

Hi Rose

Like you said, the children will grow up and live in another country. It might not be Singapore.
So why must have that privileges of having dual Singapore citizen and Canada citizen. I would like that too.
But again I am concerned on the fairness to our fellow SIngaporean who WORK and LIVE in Singapore.

If one kids having live their life in another country, having no intention of going back to serve the country, why must accord the privileges of Singapore Citizenship. If he is male, is he going to go back and serve NS?
Or are the parents going to find ways to avoid that (and at same time maintaining his or her Singapore Citizenship). If female (or male), is she going to take advantage of the situation and used Singapore her inverstment, and/or umbrella when things are not doing well in their another land - all because of having that pink NRIC (while also having other countries citizenship).

And if SIngapore decide to implement female NS, see many SINGAPOREAN parents overseas will try to find ways out of it.

I just could not comprehend this dual thing.

Even in Australia, this dual thing was meant for the British in the early days to maintain ties with UK. After all, it still have the Queen as its head of state. But in applying this dual thing to other nationalities, it is not doing the country a favour. I've been year long enough to see its impact.
Dual citizenship would also benefit me. But I don't think it benefits OUR people back home.


Hi Power Ranger a.k.a. Waz' . long time no see smile.gif

I have a quick question;
Person A : Born and lived in SG for 40 years.
Person B : Born and studied in overseas for 4 years, back to sg worked, then lived in overseas worked for 5 years and back to sg.
Person C : Born outside SG, Studied overseas(UK/OZ/US), migrated to SG, lived in sf for 10 years and lived in overseas (OZ/Canada/UK) for 5 years then back to sg for living.

Could you rate the Person A,B,C in the a order;
1. Most valuable to SG.
2. Patriot to SG.
3. Successful person.

I also don't have the answers yet... expecting form you guys. smile.gif






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Posted 10 February 2009 - 12:03 AM

QUOTE(Rose Rashid @ Feb 8 2009, 11:35 AM) View Post

Sorry, I cannot offer any practical solution. Just wondering whether that was a wise decision on the part of the Singaporean parents. They gave up their Singapore citizenships on the basis that their children will live in Canada all their lives.
But when the children are all grown up, that may not be the case - the children may have to work or study overseas or fall in love with a foreigner and leave the country or decide to emigrate themselves!
Or live in a different state of Canada, so you hardly see them anyway.
So all this sacrifice will be for nothing, won't it?

I welcome dual citizenship, not so much for myself, but for my daughter to maintain ties with Singapore due to the difficulty in maintaining S'pore PR since the entry permit is only valid for 5 years.

But I do appreciate if our gahmen allows dual citizenship, there will be a long massive queue at the immigration office, but some of the PRs may be queueing for the wrong reasons like eligibility to buy new HDB flats as new citizens or economic reasons.

My dua sen worth.

i really applicate your thought Rose Rashid, seems the parents / children's blind on the issue you mention.
"live in a different state of Canada, so you hardly see them anyway"
As a Canadian culture here, parents and children lives 50km away after 18 years. sad.gif
So you have a valid point there...... i agree with you on this.

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 11:45 PM

QUOTE(Min Jia @ Feb 9 2009, 09:33 AM) View Post

well for me i will go for dual citizenship.

if really a war breaks out (which is v minimal chance from wad i tink). i will go for singapore. its the place im born and live since infant.

exit permit is 5 years if u reside in a foreign country? dat means after 5 yrs u got to fly bak to singapore to renew it den fly back agn? i qiute curious since im intending to study overseas and prob work there aft graduation. biggrin.gif

jus my 2 cents

Get Experience / knowledge you need from overseas, and come back to Sg and build it over in sg? SG wants you and talents rolleyes.gif Good luck with your undertakings smile.gif take care of you self.





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